B-1 Charles McBrien (…) m. —
[India and UK]

Judith McBrien (5 March 2001), living in England, wrote:

“My paternal grandfather (Charles McBrien) and his brother married two sisters. The former and my father were born in India and later returned to UK.”

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B-2 James McBrien (c1842…) m. Elizabeth Martin (c1844…)
[Lancashire, Yorkshire]

This was McBrien Lineage #24 on the pre-2002 WebSite
per Christopher McBrien (13sep2002, updated 01jan2004)

James McBrien, born circa 1842 near Manchester, England, was the son of JOHN McBRIEN, born circa 1817 in Ireland; in 1871 both were musicians, James living at 206 Chester Road, Hulme, Lancashire. James married Elizabeth Martin on 6 February 1871 in Manchester Cathedral, Hulme, Manchester; born circa 1844 she was the daughter of builder JAMES MARTIN and CAROLINE FRY (Caroline had been born circa 1819 at Brighton in Sussex). James and Elizabeth seem to have been the parents of:

• possibly L S McBRIEN (female, born about 1872 [Christopher McBrien wrote (23oct2003) "…This name did crop up on Charles Otto McBrien's Death Cert. as the informant but we believe this to have been a mistake."]),
• WILLIAM REUBEN McBRIEN (baptised Sepember 1872, Fylde, Blackpool, Lancashire; died about May 1876, Chorlton-cum-Hardy)
• HENRIETTA CAROLINE McBRIEN (born about September 1874, Camberwell London; apparently married about May 1908 in Bristol
  [- was she the LS Wood of 103 Stondon Park, Forest Hill, London, as "sister" informant on Charles Otto McBrien's death certificate]) and
• CHARLES OTTO McBRIEN (born August 1877, Bilton YKS; died 1920; married Minnie Ethel Dawson at Camberwell in 1902).

Some of this family is shewn in the 1901 census at 12 Eckington Gardens, Saint Paul, Deptford LND:

( 12 Eckington Gardens, Saint Paul's, Deptford [Page 78] [1901])
Name	Position	Marital Status	Age	Occupation	Birthplace	eYoB
Charles O McBrien	Head	Single	23	Telegraphist (w)	Bilton, YKS	1878
Elizabeth McBrien	Mother	Widow	56	.	Dover KNT	1845
Henrietta McBrien	Sister	Single	25	Shirt Collar Machinist (w)	Camberwell LND	1876
Caroline Martin	GMthr	Widow	82	.	Brighton SSX	1819
William White	Visitor	Single	11	.	Walworth LND	1890
Henry Scheele	Boarder	Single	21	Clerk Coal (w)	?Vreijh GMY	1880
Oskar Scheele	Boarder	Single	20	Clerk Coal (w)	?Vreijh GMY	1881
Employment Status (E:employer, e:employed, w:worker, n:neither). eYoB = estimated year of birth (Not included in Census: based on simple subtraction of age from Census year).

Chris McBrien (5feb2002) noted these contemporary records in the 1992 IGI:

McBryan, John : christened 7 April 1822 at Manchester (Saint John); parents Thos McBryan / Harriett

McBrien, Margaret : christened 12 June 1837 at Liverpool (Saint Peter); parents John McBrien / Jane

McBreen, John and Hall, Elizabeth: married 16 May 1836, Manchester

MacBran, Susanna : christened 9 January 1854 at Liverpool (Saint Peter); parents George MacBran / Mary

McBrian, Emma : christened 25 May 1856 at Preston (.Saint John); parents Edward McBrian / Elizabeth Emma

McBryan, Fanny : christened 1 March 1857 at Manchester (Cathedral); parents John McBryan / Fanny

B-2.1 William Reuben McBrien (1872…1876)

William Reuben McBrien, son of JAMES McBRIEN and ELIZABETH MARTIN, was baptised in September 1872 at Fylde, Blackpool, Lancs. He died about May 1876 at Chorlton-cum-Hardy.

B-2.2 Charles Otto McBrien (1877…1920) m. Minnie Ethel Dawson (c1880…1955)
[Yorkshire, Sussex]

Charles Otto McBrien, born August 1877 at New Park, Bilton, Harrogate, North Riding, Yorkshire, son of JAMES McBRIEN and ELIZABETH MARTIN, married Minnie Ethel Dawson about September 1902 at Camberwell in south-east London. Minnie had been born circa 1880 at Dulwich in S.E. London; she bore Charles six known children:

• ROBINA McBRIEN (born about August 1903, died about 1972; married William John Morgan (1897-1980) in 1932, three issue),
• JANET McBRIEN (born September 1906, Lewisham, London; died about 1980, Hove, Sussex),
• ISLA JEAN McBRIEN (born about May 1908 at Lewisham; died about 1955),
• RONALD CHARLES McBRIEN (born 1910 at Forest Hill in S.E. London, died 23 November 1993 at Worthing General Hospital, Worthing, West Sussex; married Ivy Grace Forster (1911-1980) in March 1935 at Folkstone or Dover, Kent; two issue),
• ISLA McBRIEN (born about 1913),
• CORAL McBRIEN (born about May 1913, Lewisham) and
• CARO PEARL McBRIEN (born about May 1913 in Lewisham; died about August 1913).

It is thought that Charles Otto McBrien moved to London in 1900, and perhaps worked for the Irish Times in London. Charles Otto McBrien, press telegraphist of 4 White Hawk Road, Brighton, died on 12 January 1920 at Preston Sanatorium, Brighton, East Sussex. Minnie McBrien nee Dawson died circa 1955 at Hove in East Sussex.

B-2.2.1 Robina Mary McBrien (1903…1972) m. William John Morgan (…)

Robina Mary McBrien, born August 1903 at Lewisham in London, was the daughter of CHARLES OTTO McBRIEN and MINNIE ETHEL DAWSON. Robina married William John Morgan, son of WILLIAM MORGAN and ANNE JONES, in 1932. Robina and William had three children:

• DAVID WILLIAM JOHN MORGAN (born 1934; died about 1987 in Turkey),
• PETER VINCENT MORGAN (born 1941) and
• JUDITH MARY MORGAN (born 1943).
  

B-2.2.2 Ronald Charles McBrien (1910…1993) m. Ivy Grace Forster (1911…1980)

Ronald Charles McBrien, born October 1910 at Forest Hill in S.E. London, was the son of CHARLES OTTO McBRIEN and MINNIE ETHEL DAWSON. Ronald married Ivy Grace Forster in March 1935 at Folkstone or Dover, Kent. Ivy, born 6 June 1911 at Womanswold, Kent, was the eldest of three known daughters of PERCY FORSTER and MABEL MARTIN. Ronald and Ivy had two children:

• MARTYN RONALD McBRIEN (born 1935 at Aldrington, Hove, East Sussex; married Pauline Bell about September 1962 in Brighton, East Sussex; one daughter; later married Dorothy Pauline Hotston-Moore in 1976 at Worthing, West Sussex; one son) and
• CHRISTOPHER McBRIEN (born 1944 at Southlands Hospital, Shoreham-by-Sea, West Sussex; married Gabriel Elisabeth Boge (daughter of daughter of Kuno Boge and Margot Romea Jendrossek) in 1995 at Aberdeen, The Grampians, Scotland; two sons).

Ivy Grace McBrien née Forster died 15 May 1980 at Brighton, Sussex; Ronald died 23 November 1993 at Worthing General Hospital, Worthing, West Sussex.

B-3 Catherine McBrien, wife of Mathew Muir
[Greenock Scotland]

Catherine McBrien, wife of Mathew Muir, is listed as the cousin of Dr John Graham in his will of 1815 in Greenock Scotland. The will states :

"To Catherine McBrien, his cousin, wife of Mathew Muir, residing at Kilblain, Greenock - Five Hundred pounds Sterling"

Dr John Graham was the nephew of John Graham, who emigrated to North Carolina in the early 1770's: John Graham was g4-grandfather of Eileen Colgan [9 February 2001: sovereign57@yahoo.com].

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B-4 James McBrain (c1820…1870+) m. Jane —
[Scotland; New York; Pennsylvania]

James McBrain and his wife Jane —, both born in Scotland, moved to New York then Pennsylvania. Their children were:

• JAMES McBRAIN (born 1841, Scotland),
• WILLIAM McBRAIN (born 1844 in Scotland or New York) and
• ANDREW McBRAIN (born 1854 in New York or Pennsylvania).

Stanley Paden (3 March 2000) is looking for information about descendants.

B-4.1 James McBrain (1841…) m. Susan McNeil (1850…)
[Scotland; New York; Pennsylvania; Illinois]

James McBrain (born 1841, Scotland) passed through New York and Pennsylvania on the way to Montgomery County, Illinois. There in 1866 he married Susan McNeil (born 1850 Alton, Madison County, Illinois); they were listed together in the 1870 census with no children at Litchfield, Montgomery County.

B-4.2 William McBrain (1844…) m. ?
[Scotland; New York; Pennsylvania; Illinois]

William McBrain (born 1844, Scotland or New York) was the father of:

• SILINA McBRAIN (born 1868, ?Litchfield, Illinois),
• WILLIAM McBRAIN (born 1870, ?Litchfield, Illinois),
• ESTHER McBRAIN (born 1872, ?Litchfield, Illinois),
• CATHERINE McBRAIN (born 1874, ?Litchfield, Illinois),
• MABEL McBRAIN (born 1877, ?Litchfield, Illinois) and
• JAMES McBRAIN (born 1879, ?Litchfield, Illinois).

B-4.3 Andrew McBrain (1854…) m. ?

William McBrain (born 1844, Scotland or New York) was the father of:

• LEROY McBRAIN (born 1880, ?Litchfield, Illinois).

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B-M Miscellaneous [England]

per Arthur McBryan of London (October 1999):

I phoned the only other McBryan in the London telephone directory, and he turned out to be ... from Kingston, Jamaica.

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Roy Stockdill (12feb2000), addressing the Bristol and Somerset Discussion List regarding Bizarre Cricket Matches, wrote:

From Cricket's Strangest Matches: Extraordinary but true stories from 150 years of cricket, by Andrew Ward, pub. by Robson Books (paperback), ISBN 1-86105-293-6.

In May 1919 Somerset played Sussex at Taunton in the County Championship. After a relatively low-scoring game, Sussex needed only 105 runs to win in their second innings. One of the Sussex team, H. J. Heygate, had unfortunately become seriously crippled by rheumatism during the match! He had batted last in Sussex's first innings, making a duck (out with scoring a run) and had not fielded at all during the Somerset second innings. It was assumed by Sussex that he would not be needed to help them win the game, as 105 was a low target. However, Sussex wickets fell cheaply and the score reached 104 for 9 - the scores were tied and Sussex still needed one run to win. The unfortunate Heygate, virtually unable to walk because of his rheumatism, was dressed in his everyday clothes but agreed to crawl to the wicket in an attempt to bat as last man for Sussex and win the match.

However, under a law of cricket - Law 45 - a batsman is allowed two minutes to reach the playing pitch. Poor Heygate had only managed to get as far as the door of the pavilion after four minutes, whereupon the Somerset players appealed to the umpires and he was given out (somewhat unsporting of them, one might think!) before he could even get to the wicket. The game was declared a tie - the first such result in the County Championship since 1905.

Here are the teams - Somerset: Mr A E S Rippon, Mr A D E Rippon, Mr J C W McBryan, E Robson, L Braund, Mr J D Harcombe, Mr P P Hope, J F Bridges, Capt Amer, Mr J C White, H Chidgery. Sussex: Mr H L Wilson, Mr A K Wilson, Mr T E Bourdillon, Mr A C Somerset (a chap called Somerset playing for Sussex!), Mr R A T Miller, Mr J H Vincent, H E Roberts, M W Tate, G Stannard, G Cox, Mr H J Heygate.

I should explain, for the uninitiated in the pecularities of the world's finest game, that until fairly modern times (the 1960s), all first-class cricketers were classed as either Gentleman or Players, the Gentleman being amateurs (unpaid players with a private income) and the Players professionals (i.e. paid full-time cricketers). Strict class distinction was enforced, the amateurs and professionals changing in different dressing rooms and the Gentleman were always given the title of "Mr" or their military rank, while the Players were described merely by their initials.

Martin Southwood added.....

>>One more for Roy's list.

I once heard of a cricket match being played in the middle of the Bristol Channel, which, for our global friends, is about ten miles wide between Somerset and Wales. Apparently, there is a long spit of sand running down the centre to about west of Burnham known as the Culver Sand and there have been intrepid souls who have boated out to arrive at low tide, played a quick game of cricket, and got back in the boats again as the tide was rising! I cant recall any dates or where they hailed from but I'm sure somebody will know and enlighten us!<<

 

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